Tuesday, December 6, 2011

Can a martial artist use martial art to defend himself against an animal like a Rottweiler or a Chimpanzee?

Personally I'd run for the hills man... I practice my grappling with my Rotti and once I get him into a good cuddle he doesn't have much but he's 53kg and only playing, for real I'd say it would be quite difficult to bridge the gap.





The one thing that humans do have over dogs is that our major vital point are higher up while we are standing and we are able to use our limbs more efficently, however dogs have natural weapons such as claws and teeth and also are born with some natural predatory instinct, humans have to learn how to fight. I would never turn my back on a dog and run though as there is little chance of out running them and you won't see them coming, you'd have to wait for a prime opportunity, like when they jump at you and then pummell till you can't pummel anymore.





There was a case not so long ago when a man wrestled and contained a wild animal and held it in his home until help arrived. It was some form of big cat.





As for the chimp, they literally have the strength to pull your arms out of your sockets and beat you to death with the soggy ends. I'd try not to piss them off.|||if a rotweiler or chimpanzee attacked one of my lil gurls..... bet your *** it would... its amazing what a man can do when he absolutley has to.... but train him for it .. and it will be ugly...|||The book "Surviving Armed Assaults" cover dog attacks.





http://www.amazon.com/Surviving-Armed-As鈥?/a>





As to a chimp,they are just to "strong",fast,%26amp; vicious.|||From personal experience, a dog, yes.......a Chimpanzee (none in New York City), no.





It is almost impossible to knock out a dog from a blow to the head, but you are capable of making him/her a bit dizzy. I once was chased up a car by a dog, once it got on the hood to bite my leg, I hooked (punch) him with all my might. This only made him lose its balance and come up and try again. So I repated it again, this time, when he fell over dizzy, I jumped on him and tied his leash around the mouth.





The dog was later put to sleep. Its one of those situations where a female dog owner says "don't worry he doesn't bite", and it gets away from her.|||Yes to many degrees,first agility and being prepared of all dangers if the right art was chosen.The availability to find a make shift weapon is also knowledge.Strength in the heart is a must.Knowing wear to strike the beast is a key factor,that a non martial artist would not possess.|||Sure, martial arts teaches you to use your body as your weapon. It doesn't really matter what the attacker is.


In fact many forms of arts were made based on animal movements.





Here is the bottom line. I would rather defend myself from a chimp knowing a martial art versus the same scenario with no martial art experience.


Who would you put your money on? The guy who is trained or the guy who isn't?


Smart money is on the guy with training.








I have just read some other answers. GUYS! What are you thinking? I can't believe their are martial artists out there that are scared of a dog attack. Maybe it is because I grew up with large breed German dogs but they are easier to hurt than a human. Use your brain and I bet you can figure exactly how they will attack you (with their mouth), you should also be able to figure out there vulnerable spots, land mammals all have the same basic vulnerabilities.


Humans are scarier than animals any day. Animals don't use knives or guns. Also, they aren't as smart as humans.|||Could you use some techniques from your training to attempt to fend off a dog or chimp? Yes, possibly. Will you be able to set them up like you're sparring with footwork, feints, and combos? Absolutely not.





An animal attack is sudden and ferocious. There is no martial art that I know of that teaches you target areas to strike on animals or spars with chimps and dogs. And you'll most likely only be able to desperately grasp for a makeshift weapon in the midst of the animal's attack. (Thinker surely doesn't live up to his moniker)





So a martial artist may be marginally better able to save himself or herself from an animal attack than someone who has no combat training.





NOTE: Spidertiger440, I grew up with German shepards, rotties and mastiff mutts. The play biting they do when rough housing with you doesn't compare to an all-out attack. Let's see you sit there and "think" how to react while a dog (or chimp) is attacking. When you finally fend off the attack you can "figure out" how to stop the bleeding.|||Everything already said pretty much covers what I was going to say, right down to the "avoidance" clause. One of the first things a good martial arts instructor will teach is that AVOIDANCE of a fight is the easiest way to not lose one. ONLY AFTER you have exhausted your options of avoiding confrontation do you employ the training you have received. As soon as you engage, your chances of winning the fight depend not opnly on your skill, but on the skill and tactics employed by your attacker (even dogs). And yes, trained guard dogs DO employ tactics, just as predators in the wild employ tactics designed to increase their chances of success in an attack.|||Sure, but I'm pretty sure Peta wouldn't be pleased.|||I think the current edition of Black Belt magazine has an article about defending yourself from a dog attack.





Frankly, I don't think Ray Lewis would stand a chance against an 80lb chimp. Great apes are so strong it borders on the supernatural.





If you train BJJ or MMA, you may be screwed. Wrestling a biting dog is going to be tough, but their physiology is essentially the same as ours, in that they would be susceptible to a choking attack from the rear. Good luck taking a dog's back though if they are on the attack.





For karate/kung fu guys, our training to go for vital areas would work well. Dogs are sensitive on their noses, so while Fido is sinking his teeth into your arm, you can punch him on the nose, or jam your fingers into his nostrils and rip. You can also gouge his eyes, or ram your fingers deep into their ear cavity. Next time you play with a dog, see how far he lets you get a finger into his ear--it wont get far. They don't like it, and can cause enough pain/injury to possibly give you a chance at escaping. Striking the trachea may help, but his neck muscles will be strongly engaged, so it could be somewhat sheilded. Or, if you can get a stick into their mouth (instead of your arm), a sharp twist can possibly sprain the dogs jaw.





Check the web about chimp attacks. The few instances where they have escaped and attacked someone, they destroy people in seconds. Heaven help you against an animal like that, because it's unlikely the martial arts will.





Hope that helps!|||I think no matter what martial art you are pro at, if a trained rottweiler took you by surprise you would have a VERY hard time finding a technique in your arsenal to escape yourself from it's clutches.|||Hehe, a Tekken match: Paul Phoenix vs Kuma.|||no that would just be wrong|||Yes you can. UUh, let us no how it turns out okay?|||Give it your left arm.... and kill it with the knife in your right hand.|||Yes.





Self-defense is a set of concepts and strategies designed to be applicable in a variety of circumstances and situations. A good instructor will teach principals and will then vary the situations and circumstances to challenge their students thought process and response conditioning.





That said, the type of animal you would discuss defensive strategies for would depend upon the area of the world you live in. I have conducted many self-defense classes focused on dog attacks which is a very possible occurence in many areas of the world. I've also discussed basic concepts on mountain lion, snake, bear and so on in a few classes.





Once you understand the principals of self-defense, you should look at variations in what circumstances you may find youself and what resources and information is already avaiable to help you deal with them. THAT is true self-defense in my opinion, and that is what I encourage all of my instructors to work on, and all of my students to consider and practice.





There are well established concepts for defending against a single dog attack. There is also information out there for defense against many other types of animals or more importantly, for preventing getting yourself into a bad situation where you may have to defend youself against such animals :)





Now, when it comes to the likely outcome of such an encounter. As anyone who teaches self-defense will tell you - Avoid getting physical at ALL COSTS, because as soon as it goes physical you have lost the battle and run the risk of losing the entire war. While training and preparation will give you an advantage, it does not guarantee anything. But having the information and advantage is much better than not having it, so although the outcome will be uncertain, the time devoted to preparing is still worth while.





Ken C


9th Dan HapMoosaKi-Do


8th Dan TaeKwon-Do


7th Dan YongChul-Do|||Oh your damn right. It is widely rumoured that a great Japanese warrior by the name of Yujiro Hanma fought and killed a huge polar bear in a fight. Hanma was said to be of no one particular style- just a great fight in general. So don't take your Mc-kwon-do kicks and parrys and jump the gate at the zoo any time soon.

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